was published on July 19th by Simon & Schuster.
: Welcome to The Qwillery. SSP
: Thanks for having me.TQ
: When and why did you start writing? SSP
: I started writing in third grade when Mrs. Barclay rewarded my unexpectedly good behavior with a turn at the typewriter in the back of the classroom. During recess I wrote the first chapter of a novel. It was 100 words long. The gist was this: A flying saucer appeared over a city, there was blinding flash, and the city was gone! Mrs. Barclay was so impressed that she had me read it to the class. They were impressed too and wanted to know what happened next. Unfortunately, I never did write chapter two. I still wonder what happened to the city.
Impressing your friends is a powerful inducement, and not disappointing them is an even more powerful one, so I let the writing bug latch on.TQ
: What inspired you to write The Dragon Round? SSP
: I used to be an editor at Wiley, and one day another editor, Eric Nelson, was telling me about a book his son was reading. He said, "Why would someone write a book for kids without a dragon?" And I said, "Why would someone write a book for anyone without a dragon? Wait...." I went back to my office and during lunch outlined a series of six books that each covered a key moment in human-dragon relations, the way World War Z
covers the key moments in the zombie war. I showed Eric the outline, and he said, "What's in book two for readers of book one?" Which suggested I'd actually outlined a series of series.
After Wiley sold our publishing line and laid us off, Eric agented The Dragon Round
before returning to editorial, so he didn't just inspire the novel. He enabled my entire career. TQ
: Did you plot it or pants it, or are you a hybrid?SSP
: A hybrid. I learned my lesson about pantsing novels in third grade. In fact, if I hadn't figured out a hybrid system for writing a novel around the time I conceived of The Dragon Round
, I probably wouldn't have written it.TQ
: What's your system?SSP
: Basically, I write three outlines, each progressively longer than the last, then write the first draft. This way, at every stage, I only have to write two or three words for each one I've already written, which isn't that hard; plus I know where I'm going, but can still change directions as necessary. Most importantly, this system allows me plenty of room for invention. For instance, the poth wasn't in The Dragon Round
until the third outline, and although I put her in to solve a little problem she was able to become a lead character.
I do pants short stories, through, because the initial investment isn't as large. I write the first act, and if I can see the structure of the rest I keep going. If I can't, I put the act in my backburner folder so I don't obsess over a lost cause. TQ
: Pleaese describe The Dragon Round in 140 characters or less, like a tweet.SSP
: "The Count of Monte Cristo" with a dragon. #DragonRound #LiberezDantes
That's actually a really good way of figuring out your elevator pitch: describing it one tweet.TQ
: Besides The Count of Monte Cristo, what else influenced it?SSP
: There's a fair amount of The Wire
and Breaking Bad
in "The Dragon Round," a lot of Jaws
, pieces of Richard Zacks' Captain Kidd
and Katherine Boo's Behind the Beautiful Forevers
, a scene pulled from Hamlet
, one pulled from Robinson Crusoe
, several Star Wars
references, and some of Jack Vance's oversubtlety, but none of his hyperurbaneness.TQ
: Stylistically, though, the novel's very different from, say, Vance or most epic fantasy.SSP
: Yes, consciously so. I couldn't compete with a George Martin or a Brandon Sanderson when it comes to world-building, plus I tend to ramble on, so I shoot for something more spare. I live by Elmore Leonard's 10 Rules for Writing
. My only disagreement with him involves the word "said." I think a different word, such as "shouted" or "whispered," could be used instead of "said" in order to indicate volume if doing so in another way would be less elegant. TQ
: How did being a poet affect your style?SSP
: That's where the spareness comes from. How little can I write about something and still have it make sense? How much can I cut and still make an impact? How much can I pack into a single image or line of dialogue?TQ
: Is that the most challenging thing for you about writing?SSP
: For me, that's the fun of writing--or rewriting, actually. I won't be spare at first. I'll let myself run a little wild, then cut back later.
My biggest challenge as a writer is prioritizing. I love writing short stories, and I'm constitutionally incapable of turning away from a prompt, but I have to focus on The Dragon Tower
, the sequel to The Dragon Round
. So as a reward for finishing each chapter, and to give myself some distance from the novel, I get to write a story or spend some time outlining the first book in a new series, "The Dragons of America." TQ
: Tell us something about The Dragon Round that is not found in the book description.SSP
: For me, it's a novel about faith in a world without gods. TQ
: What appeals to you about writing Fantasy?SSP
: The same thing that appealed to me about the movie The Illusionist
: I want my stories and poems to have a little bit of history, a little bit of mystery, and a little bit of magic. TQ
: What sort of research did you do for The Dragon Round?SSP
: When I was in junior high I read Piers Anthony's Macroscope
and afterwards made a list of all the subjects I would have to master in order to write a novel of my own: astronomy, history, biology, anthropology, archaeology...basically the departments at a major university. I never managed that, but thanks to Wikipedia, YouTube and Google I might as well have. I don't think I could have written The Dragon Round
without them either. I spent hours, for instance, learning about bamboo and crabs, but my favorite bit of research was on how to sex a dragon.TQ
: How do you--SSP
: Carefully. TQ
: Nice. Who was the easiest character to write and why? Who was the hardest?SSP
: Solet was the easiest. He's a scoundrel. I never knew what he'd do or say.
Jeryon was the hardest because I saw the story through his eyes. About halfway through, probably because I had to look at him through the poth's eyes, I realized I'd never seen him from the outside. I knew how he thought and felt, and I knew what he wanted, but not why he was the way he was. It was a lot of fun discovering his back story and bringing that in.TQ
: Why have you chosen to include or not chosen to include social issues in The Dragon Round? SSP
: I didn't want to write another fantasy in which someone saves the world for feudalism. So I set it in an analog of our own world, which is why Hanosh is a corporate oligarchy, specifically the world as Milton Friedman would have it, in which profits must come before people.
The funny thing is, by laying me off, then providing a very generous severance package, Wiley provided both the impetus and the means to write the book.TQ
: Which question about The Dragon Round do you wish someone would ask? Ask it and answer it!SSP
: I really want them to ask about the stuff that I only hint at, the stuff that makes me feel sooooo clever, but readers will have to figure out those things on their own. Or wait for later books. Or wait for me to figure them out myself.
In the meantime, here are two questions:
Q. Why do your paragraphs have fewer than 150 words?
A. When Vonnegut was in marketing at GE, he learned that the American attention span was 45 seconds long, so he made sure his paragraphs could be read in less time. I'm doing the same thing. It takes about 45 seconds to read 150 words.
Nowadays, the American attention span is only 6 seconds. A cynic would say, That's the length of tweet. An optimist would say, That's the length of a Shakespearean couplet.
One thing I couldn't do in this book was limit the length of my chapters. About halfway through, I did a little study of bestselling fiction, looking at books by Patterson, King, Evanovich, Dan Brown and others, and found that, when taken together, their average chapter had 1770 words. I may try to incorporate that stricture into future books.
Q. Where did the poth's name come from?
A. The song "Everlyn
" by Somebody Still Loves You, Boris Yeltsin. The band tweeted me that they were all for this when I tweeted the hivemind to ask whether her name should be that or Asper (who became the White Widow).
BTW, In looking for that video, I discovered there's now a band called Everlyn, and they are pretty great too. Check out Away We Go
: Give us one or two of your favorite non-spoilery quotes from The Dragon Round.SSP
: It makes no sense out of context, but the one I say most to myself when no one is around is the poth's, "It's kitties!"
I also like how characters interpret the phrase "the wave rises, the wave falls" in their own ways.TQ
: What's next? SSP
: I'm about to start the first draft of The Dragon Tower
, which I want to have done by July 1. I'd like to get through the second and third outlines of the first "Dragons of America" novel, so I can start drafting that while revising The Dragon Tower
. And I'll write some stories in there, maybe expand my story "The Revivalist" into a novella, and finally draft another novella I've already outlined called "The Dragon Knight's Daughter."
So much for prioritizing.